| rdfs:comment | - I'm just going to leave this here: Since no date, or stardate, was given in "Living Witness" , the only thing that dates the episode is Seven of Nine, placing "Living Witness" sometime after "The Gift" . That and the Kyrians are 60,000 light years from Mars. Not really sure where to put that, but it may fall into a window of time if we get some other distance figures from other episodes. - Archduk3:talk 04:27, October 27, 2009 (UTC) There's nothing in that episode that will ever lead to accurate dating, unfortunately. It could take place after the events of "Endgame" took place
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| abstract | - I'm just going to leave this here: Since no date, or stardate, was given in "Living Witness" , the only thing that dates the episode is Seven of Nine, placing "Living Witness" sometime after "The Gift" . That and the Kyrians are 60,000 light years from Mars. Not really sure where to put that, but it may fall into a window of time if we get some other distance figures from other episodes. - Archduk3:talk 04:27, October 27, 2009 (UTC) There's nothing in that episode that will ever lead to accurate dating, unfortunately. It could take place after the events of "Endgame" (in the timeline where voyager didn't make it to the alpha quadrant until years later.) — Morder (talk) 04:31, October 27, 2009 (UTC) We should just leave that alone for the sake of simplicity. --Nero210 04:49, October 27, 2009 (UTC) The distance figure should allow us to place it into a window, and maybe the a year, if it came be proven to have happened in the same year as "The Gift". The date on the episode already notes it is an approximation, and actually links to the 31st century page, which is consistent with cannon. (I don't think it's speculation to run with the idea that episodes take palace in the same universe/timeline unless otherwise stated. So all other episodes involve Voyager returning to Earth during "Endgame".) - Archduk3:talk 05:03, October 27, 2009 (UTC) That's the trouble, there is no timeframe you can divine from the episode at all. Because none of the episode takes place in the actual Voyager timeline and all takes place in the future the events depicted in the holographic recreations could be from any point in voyager's history. — Morder (talk) 05:05, October 27, 2009 (UTC) Don't we take production order (albeit as a last resort) into consideration when placing episodes as well? --Nero210 05:14, October 27, 2009 (UTC) Yes, but only when the episode takes place in the normal timeline - in this case none of it does. The recreation never gives a timeframe and thus could take place during any time period. (Even production order doesn't always cover items such as "The 37's" ) — Morder (talk) 05:19, October 27, 2009 (UTC) [edit conflict] Not entirly true, we know that it takes place after "The Gift" (Seven), and Voyager was around 60,000 light years from home (referenced in dialog), so if there is an episode that references a distance shorter than that, we have our window. If it's an episode after "The Gift" and the distance is longer, we look for an episode after the new one with a distance shorter than 60,000, and we get a window. If those episodes have solid dates, we have a solid window of time that the EMHBM had to be stolen in. We also know that the episode takes place around 700 years from that point, so we get at least a century. - Archduk3:talk 05:22, October 27, 2009 (UTC) Though I hesitate to say it you could just give the general 2370s as a year since it must take place during Voyager's run but, as I stated above, it could have been during the alternate timeline where Voyager took decades to get home. I'm not sure when the episode "Timeless" took place It's still speculation, Archduk3 because even if we have a window it could be up to two years. Though if you find evidence I will support it but for now there is none. — Morder (talk) 05:24, October 27, 2009 (UTC) Timeless takes place 4 years, 2 months, and 11 days after Caretaker, according to Janeway in that episode, which puts it in early 2375. --Nero210 05:28, October 27, 2009 (UTC) Stupid me not previewing. For some reason my edit got cut. Basically I stated that if you take into account the "Timeless" timeline then it must have happened before that. But if you consider that the particular timeline was reverted then it could have taken place after. There's also the two "Endgame" timelines to take into account. That's why this episode's year might never be known as it may have also take place in any of those timelines - without a stardate in the episode it's really only speculation otherwise. — Morder (talk) 05:33, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
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