| abstract | - __NOWYSIWYG__ According to the wiki's policies, no-one is allowed to upload images solely to be used on message threads, blog posts, or profile pages. We can only use a hotlink instead. However, it is mandatory for the hotlink image to be from Photobucket, and you need a Photobucket account to upload images on this wiki. I find this unfair - not everyone has a Photobucket account, and when I try to upload images from outside this wiki, it ends up deleted by an administrator (namely Lady Lostris). I think we should make some changes to the wiki's policies, we should be allowed to upload images from outside this wiki onto message threads, blog posts, or profile pages, without having to use a hotlink. Again, not everyone has a Photobucket account or wants one. In fact, I don't. Boggy B (wall • contribs) 11:51, September 21, 2014 (UTC) The focus of the wiki is on the written content, not on the images. The reason those policies exist is to limit the number of irrelevant images, and thus ensure that the wiki does not become a place for people to simply dump images they like. Creating a Photobucket account is quick, free, and entirely unintrusive, and thus serves a perfectly acceptable way to allow people to display images without having to upload them (as a point of note, any admin would delete images in such a situation, not just Lostris). If you don't want to hotlink them in that way, then my suggestion would be to simply post the url to the image, and allow people to view them that way. To summarise, the image policy as it stands exists for a good reason, and I see no reason to change it. 11:59, September 21, 2014 (UTC) I don't remember how image uploading works, but uploading images to a hosting account every time you want to use them is annoying & tedious, why do you think I never do it?Neo Bahamut (wall • contribs) 12:12, September 21, 2014 (UTC) I'm completely against this kind of change to the image policy. As HoT summarised quite nicely, we focus on the written word, not images—it for this reason that we don't allow gif images at all, as they distract from the content of the wiki. It takes two minutes to sign up for photobucket, and you don't actually need to use it if you don't want—mine is only wiki-related stuff. 'I don't want a PB account' is not a good enough reason to completely change the image policy. We don't even allow some images to be uploaded to the article namespace because we have other images that are similar enough to work (point being that, even on articles, we focus on the written word and don't upload more than is necessary). And, finally, as HoT pointed out, any admin would have deleted an image used on a thread but not an article, and any rollbacker would have removed it from the post and marked it for deletion. Neo, if you don't want to upload, you don't have to. As HoT stated, you can always just link the image. Often they're already on the internet somewhere anyway. 12:13, September 21, 2014 (UTC) God, there are edit conflicts every time I try to post my reply, will you just let me do it already and stop replying for one damn second? ...Anyway, here is my reply to HammerOfThor: I don't really like the idea of having to post the URL to the image instead of simply uploading the image on your posts. And I doubt that the wiki would be flooded with images from outside the wiki, most of the images posted on message threads, blog posts, profile pages, etc. are already images from the wiki (and hotlinks aren't even used very often), so there wouldn't be much of a difference if we changed the policy a little. Sometimes people would like to post an image from outside the wiki, but not an image from Photobucket. Besides, even if the wiki is flooded with new images from outside the wiki, you could easily just search for the image you need. Boggy B (wall • contribs) 12:15, September 21, 2014 (UTC) There is no reason to get upset, Boggy. This is what happens in a discussion—particularly one that could have extremely far-reaching consequences. If you doubt that the wiki would be flooded, Boggy, I do suggest you take a look at the wanted files special page—a page of all the files that have been deleted due to this policy that the link has yet to be removed for. The number of files we delete weekly is, while small, would in the long-term be significant. You aren't talking about a 'little' change to the policy at all. 12:18, September 21, 2014 (UTC) Fine, whatever. You can close this discussion now. Boggy B (wall • contribs) 12:25, September 21, 2014 (UTC) Apart from the reasons already stated by HoT and Fruipit, there is also the legal copyright infringement to take into concern. While it is definitely true that many image hosting site give a royal fuck you to that, it doesn't mean that we should do so as well. We have a strict sourcing system for images to attribute credit where credit is due and omit altered images (like images with text added to them) altogether, since they've altered a copyright protected material. Sure, for most people this would be not even something on their minds and easily disregarded, but it is definitely something that the Avatar Wiki takes into account and should keep doing so. I am sorry for the inconvenience that this may cause to some, but I do have to admit that said being sorry diminishes quite rapidly when all the offered solutions -which are just as good as uploading the images on the wiki, minus the copyright infringement- are so easily discarded just because they're deemed too much of a hassle. The "I can't be bothered to take a minute to upload an image"-argument is, needless to say, not a profound reasoning to move to adapt a good policy that has been made to accommodate housekeeping and legal purposes. As a last rather unrelated note to this discussion: Boggy, no one is preventing you from uploading images but yourself. You have been told how to do it without actually uploading the images on the wiki, but if you can't find it in yourself to do the little extra that needs to be done, then your inability to show images is completely on you and only you. There is no need to take such attitude as you always seem to do when things aren't going your way or offered on a silver platter. That said, a discussion will always remain open for at least three days after the last commenter as to allow everyone in the community the chance to participate and have their opinion heard. 12:33, September 21, 2014 (UTC) "Royal fuck you"... Well, thanks for telling me. We can all ditch this discussion now. And I refuse to create a Photobucket account because I simply don't want to. I see no point in creating an account there JUST for uploading images on some wiki. I mean, come on. I rarely upload images, and I'll definitely leave this wiki someday (I can't stay here forever), therefore creating a Photobucket account is pointless for me. And about my supposedly "rude" attitude, this is just my tone when I'm on the Internet, you can't force me to use smiley faces or reply with a more upbeat attitude. Besides, I'm not the only one on this wiki who types like this. That said, any further criticisms on my "attitude" will be ignored from this day forth. Don't forget to close this discussion three days later, I don't want to remind you. Boggy B (wall • contribs) 12:44, September 21, 2014 (UTC) Taking LL's words out of context will not help at all, Boggy. She's merely stating that while many sites don't care about giving artists proper credit, we do. If you don't want to create an account, then don't. It's up to you. Your attitude is the apparent way you seem to give up and demand people leave the issue alone when you are finished with it, or it doesn't go your way. There is also no need to remind anyone to close forums. The community messages does include dates. 12:48, September 21, 2014 (UTC) As I said before, any further criticisms on my "attitude" will be ignored from this day forth, because I'm tired of everyone criticizing the tone in my comments. Also, when I said "besides, I'm not the only one on this wiki who types like this", I was referring to you and a few others. I'm officially done with this discussion now, so I will no longer reply. And, for the love of God, do not be offended by this message, because there's nothing particularly rude about it. Boggy B (wall • contribs) 12:57, September 21, 2014 (UTC) unfortunately, HoT and Frui, LL are right. I did discuss this with them before regarding this. and I have to say that here are flaws and faults already pointed out. it can be difficult for Avatar Wiki to keep images clean if unchecked. so it is with my statement that I fully support the rules of Avatar Wiki since I have joined. sure, here are few discussions regarding same thing, but it has already been "beating the horse" over this same issue you are stating with the post. that's all. Cassandra Saturn File:Korra Sprite-01.gif 14:37, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
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