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- Done.
- I'd say use Matoya and perhaps a header saying "Where have my images gone?" or similar
- What we have to display our text in these boxes is our TalkText templates, that is the basic one, with TalkTextTest2 being the most recent version. What you have to do is create your own template page Template:Sephiroth or something like that, and follow the instructions on the TalkTextTest2 page. Just fill in the empty boxes and keep the filled in ones as they are and you'll be able to link to them with
- Ah well, I shall just try to pick out the conversations where I might be of help then :) I know nothing about the games, but can sometimes add something when it's a wiki conversation.
- FYI, if you want to see what Jimbo Wales said when a lot of editors took him to task about booting games from Wikibooks it is here The whole page is a very informative read, not only about how little some editors think of games, but about how passionate others defend it. BTW, in there Jimbo complains Wikibooks is being treated as a dumping ground for Wikipedia, which is not right according to him. So CSM wasn't the first Deck. Dumping article after article might get someone's conscience at ease but doesn't help build a wiki ;) I think my suggestion for a "Wiki Annex" has merit. Merely transwiking stuff to a fully functioning wiki is very disruptive. A staging ground for expanded articles is better and lets us do things at our own leisure here.
- The FFIII one is particularly bad, with only 2 entries, and those are bosses. I would write some articles when I can find my DS' batter charger
- I concur, I've been tossing up whether to suggest this or whether I couldn't be bothered lol, but I'd like to nominate Diable for Admin simply 'cos of all the work he's done here, he's probably the most active member
- Glad you like it. I want to see what some others think before they go into actual use. I'll ignore anti-FFIX propoganda, or course :P
- I think a space for wiki related talk would be good, the forum format is easy to use and very handy for questions like Can someone tell me how to fix my userpage? But I can see why you wouldn't want to add yet another section. It sounds like it's a case of organising what you have, or showing more clearly what each section is for, rather than a need for expansion
- Pretty much. Most people are now just creating enemy and location pages. I'm sorting out the disambig pages.
- no, that one made my wiki look just like my forum. I have some wiki-phobics in there that get a rash when they see a wiki ;)
point is we can change fonts and color scheme here, add banners, move stuff around... All by changing the monobook.css
- EDIT CONFLICT- Go to "Category:Final Fantasy ... enemies" and you'll find all the individual pages there
- that is great CSM. There is definitely a difference between a n00b that had his game content shunned from Wikipedia and repeat offenders that use this wiki as a dumping ground. Being nice to n00bs and hard on repeat offenders I like and vote YES :)
May I suggest something though ? I keep on seeing the good work of a killer 2006 team being ripped to pieces there and it is breaking my heart. The articles you, me, Ryu, Deck and others got from Yuna has a lesbian scene with Leblanc to FA class are being turned into a list of lists :
- That was supposed to make the page look better? I'll be damned.
- Oh, that's easy. Type in a link to your userpage, then put a slash, then what you want to name your page. For example:
User:LaZodiac/Sandbox
Just replace sandbox with whatever you want.
- Check here for info on making a Talk template.
- Could we archive this page, it's 62 kb long lol
- Doing it now.
- Edit: Done. It is now Template:Images
- Just make a Final Fantasy Wiki page called Sandbox.
However, I don't think our Wiki needs one. I'd just recommend a person edit their own user page if they want to experiment.
- Just wanted to ask, are you still using this page as the place to talk about wiki issues? I looked at the forums, and they all seem to be places for game info or other related chat. Or did I miss something? :)
- I'll run it through right away :D
- hihi! Are you sure ? my pink girly wiki is to die for! ;)
- Which of the sections is usually used for talk specifically about the wiki? I can't see it...
- I for one, am quite happy with the current set up. No black/auburn color scheme here thanks.
- What about in addition to the category, having an item on the Todo list: Articles to improve with images. This way people here can prioritize which articles should be "decorated" with images first. I remember the Wikipedia FF team - on the good old days - had it and it worked well Renmiri
- I figure if we're in the habbit of stealing other wiki's ideas , we should cast our eyes over to the "Improvement Drive", y'know, where the entire wiki is supposed to focus all available efforts on one article in desperate need. Say what you think, everyone.
- I'd like to request the appointing of a new Admin. Not anyone in particular , I simply suggest that a new one is needed; Hecko isn't going to be around as much for a while so it's gonna be kind of like having 2.5 admins around. Obviously if we were gonna go for a new Admin it would probably be best to weigh up the pros and cons of a few titled users, but of course whether or not , are ultimately up to CSM. Just a suggestion, my friends.
- The naming restrictions template isn't even being used though.
- Go here and replace XII with whichever game you want
- There's not much we can do about Edit Conflicts. I just tend to write what I intend to in notepad before i go to edit, and that way I just hit paste and it's done. I think I've had about one edit conflict since I started here, and that was on a talk page.
But I can see where your coming from, and yet no, I don't believe there's anything we can really do about it.
- Ah, Races of Final Fantasy. An article I tried cleaning up, and then unwitingly managed to get deleted when people realised how uneeded it was. It was certainly the epitome of how we don't do things here.
From how you and CSM describe it, Wikipedia is a horrible place to edit. I've never edited there, don't even have an account. When I heard of the project, I was thinking of leaving here and joining it, but now that I know the turth about it, I'm glad I didn't.
Also, what is this "cruft" you speak of?
- Sounds like a good idea to me. Nifty. ^_^
EDIT: Upon further contemplation, it seems like there might be a problem with edit conflicts. Is there any way we can prevent that? Edit conflicts are the most frustrating thing about editing wikis, at least for me... -_-
- We'va already got them, for most of the enemies, just have a look for the enemies using the search function or the categories for enemies and you'll find them.
- Wouldn't hurt, especially if we're all agreed that each enemy page should have a picture.
- Please remember to take things no further than Kingdom Hearts has been taken; A page for the game, a page about the main characters , a villians or enemies page, an "other" characters page, a locations page, and a key terms page . I know this is all you've said you'll do anyway, but I just want to clarify that. Despite how big the Kingdom Hearts template is , there are only a total of 11 pages linked to. Although VS is set in Ivalice, we still want to keep the articles on non-FF games to a minimum .
- Hey. This is only my second day being a user, but i thought of something to add to the wiki. We could possibly make a link or forum about cool or funny things that have happened to you on FF. Or, a poll for the top favorite game, character, world, etc. Though this might be too much like the coliseum or lamest/coolest thing in the FF series, I was just pitched an idea.
- This is the sort of forum I mean, I like the way they work on Uncyclopedia too. There are some instructions on how to set these up at [[Wikia:Help:Forum set up]], or I'd be happy to do it for you... I've done a few by now ;)
- A green number means that more info has been added to the page , while red means info has been taken away . It was a more recent update to this wiki.
- Hey Sannse, does CSM and the admins here have access to Monobook.css and the otehr files mentioned on the instructions ? If they do, I might be able to reskin this wiki's monobook like I did with mine to have a more jazzy front page. Perhaps not black though. Most Wiki faithful have a heart attack when they see my black wiki ;)
- Wikipedia ain't no easy place to be for a newbie, since once you do a mistake it's right on the blacklist. People don't even try to help you out, just point out what you did and tell you to stay away 'till you've learnt not to do that. That, and the fact that there are way, way, way too many people on there is one of the reasons I prefer editing here([citation needed). They even hate trivia sections there now, totally ruining the idea of "The Encyclopedia Anyone Can Edit" . Some information is just impossible to put, ah, "in the main headspace". And of course, the best part is their aforementioned "Less is More" approach. A guy hates FF, and he suggests that all character articles be merged. Lazy people agree with it, and then we have lists, that can neither provide extra information on the characters, or is possible to read with all those citation numbers around.]
So, even though all contributions to Wikipedia are under the GNUFD License, just copying one article here, however featured it may be is pretty damn stupid in my opinion. I mean, doesn't it feel better to make something of your own, as well as not annoying people with Wikipedia dumps? Oh yeah, I think we also should stay away from the way they do certain things there .
- Opps. I guess I miss wrote my words abit. I meant a personal one.
- I vote against it. Not because CSM or AuronK are wrong, Wikipedia articles are a big hassle to dewikify, I agree with this. My problem is that I pity the enthusiastic gamer that arrives at Wikipedia and gets shooed here because any decent game info is tarred as fancruft there. The poor guy / gal is shooed from here too. What a frustrating first impression to give to someone who loves FF games as much as people here do! I think we should act as a "wikipedia rehab" and give the poor gamers shooed from wikipedia a chance to learn ways to be good contributors here before biting their head off in their first article here Renmiri
- I hereby propose the creation of a category for enemy articles needing images, or even general articles needing images. Whichever we think fit. It would make it a lot easier to figure out which enemy articles still need pictures, rather than having to go through all of them one by one to check. I'm not sure how to make categories, and even if I did, I wouldn't want to just make one if I wasn't sure others agreed to it. So yeah, throwing that out there. Thoughts?
- Also while I think about it, I was wondering about making Renmiri a titled user, y'know, she basically sorted the forum on her own, she's made one heck of a dent in the XII enemy images, and I don't even want to ask where she's getting the 3D models from :D. Just my two cents, sorry if I'm overstepping, but I'm a tad tipsy, a year older, and in a good mood!
- Oh, and anti-Amano propaganda too. Even though he is the worst of all the Final Fantasy artists...
- That will come in most handy. It'll stem the flow of Disambig pages a little. Nice idea TA.
- And besides, we have a working forum now that is relatively spam-free. Here
- *Jaw hits floor*
That was fast, to say the least. I go to bed, wake up, and siddenly I can delete pages. It was quite a shock.
Anyway, thank you all, I shall use my new powers for good, and make sure annoying annons don't make constant annoying edits to the Tidus page .
And my votes were going to go to AK and Lucy.
- Nope. No Archaeoaevis in FFIV. I also don't think a bestiary article is needed. I suggested once that all the FFVI enemy pages could be rearranged to fit the Advance bestiary, but I didn't get any feedback on it.
- Well I had a short list of people to request, ranging from AK, to Lucy, to Diablo. But out of the list I had Diablo has the highest edit count, is on the most, and seems like he'd be most willing to become an admin.
- This is just a question. On all summon monsters, particularly in FFVIII, would it be better to add another section just for the summon's attacks if not already there? I personally thought it would be better instead of having to look through the entire article just to find out about a GF's attack.
- I'm not sure how I feel about the template idea. I mean, since so many articles would be in this category, shouldn't we just leave it as a category at the bottom of the page, or maybe make the template just text so it doesn't take up so much room at the top of the page? Just my thoughts.
- I want to have a go at this. I'll get back to you in the morning with my idea, and I will be using an IX theme.
- The forum is cool Sannse! Is this the AWC mod or did Wikimedia include forums with the latest release ? BTW, if you guys add mods, I highly recommend that you get the AWC Multiple Image loader Extension because it would make our work here sooo much easier!!!
As for the skins, don't worry, I can do both. But it seems my black and pink skins are not a hit here - can you imagine that? ;) so I'll wait word from CSM and the admins here to see what they decide and by then your new skin should be done
- That's a really good idea. I might have to start doing that now...
I guess the only way to prevent edit conflicts would be to say on a talk page "Hey, I'm editing this article," and say "Okay, I'm done" afterward. But I know we're not going to do that and I don't think we should, at least on any regular basis .
- I agree. I've never liked how Wikipedia works, especially their "less is more" tactics with characters , so I totally agree with CSM. If someone dumps a Wikipedia article, I suggest we do a complete rewrite, not to mention tell said contributor not to do it.
- Ok...this seems like an interesting feature. I'm just wondering...how would one go about getting/making one?
Also, just as a notice...I think its time for another archive thingy.
- I will agree with the nomination to promote Diablocon to admin status. 'nuff said.
- Look's good. I still say the smaller, single line one should be used for the enemy pages.
- As far as the forums go, I think topics concerning the whole wiki tend to get put in Forum:Rin's Travel Agency just because that's the one used for general discussion. There are a few topics in there concerning wiki issues .
When discussing changes to the entire wiki, like a policy change or new feature, I at least usually edit some kind of pertinent talk page. But hey, that's just me. :/
Perhaps we should make a new forum for wiki/wikia issues?
- Aww.. Txs guys! But CSM has given me something pretty cool already: my forum is on the sidebar as an affiliate so I'm all set :) Congratulations Diablo and happy birthday Gold! Renmiri
- First of all, there are more than 196 XII enemies in that category. Since you can only have 200 articles on one page of a category, it automatically put them on a second page. Second, did you miss the top of the :Category:Final Fantasy XII enemies where it has sub-categories for the bosses, rare game, and hunts?
- I like the big one. The other two are automatically failures though, not because of the artist who drew the picture used, no sir.
- Nice work GB. Love 'em. I'd say use the first one for major articles only and one of the smaller ones to use on enemy pages.
- Wee, thanks a million!!! Being able to load several images at once will make it much easier for us to load bestiaries and other large collections of images here I'll look at the new skin ASAP
- Biggest change, and you've no doubt noticed this, is that we now have collapsible templates. Now we can make templates freaking huge, which is nice.
We have an on-site Forum. Again, you saw this no doubt.
Our user-base has expanded a bit. I'm not sure which users have joined in your absence, but I'm sure they can make themselves known.
We've been doing some major cleaning up, moving pages and sorting categories like there's no tomorrow. The lay-out of the Wiki has been getting nicer.
Those are some of the more major things. I think GoldBerry was keeping a list if I remember correctly.
- No probs :) :Category:Templates is the place to go to browse through all the available templates.
- This template already is active. Place at the top of a page that needs a pic
- Pretty basic, and very boring. The problem would be that a vast majority of articles would have a template like this.
- I believe CSM already tried setting one up, but no one used it, and it just went ignored.
- Appart from the main bits and pieces, we're just talking things like a minor rework of the userboxes page, shifting of things on the main page, some clever stick added the to-do list to the sidebar , although the to-do list hasn't been used massively in your absence. Vandalism is definately down, and people are learning to categorise and such more and more, which leaves precious little work for wikignomes such as myself.
- I was thinking about using Yuna with the quote "Where are you? I can't see you!" to fit in the theme of using quotes from the games.
Here's my example:
- Agreed, but it should be a general category for all articles, not just enemies.
To make it more interesting, it should be a template, but who should be on the template, and which quote should be used?
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